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Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby bestwriter » 09 Jun 2017, 01:52

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“Charity begins at home” This adage can be applied to countless situations and site owners also belong there. When a writing site for example appears on the Net their only purpose is to earn and when they realise they are making losses they withdraw from the scene frustrating their users. Many a time it is the users land them there by their spamming and getting views for their articles in a fraudulent way.
However, there are categories among site owners. Some make the announcement that they are going to close down settling all dues but some do not. Those who do not just run away with the booty, thus putting the users to that frustrating experience
What is surprising is that users expect state-of-the-art site owners at all times. Even in the real world we face cheaters. It is the trust that we depend on. Many take advantage of that and exploit the situation.
Having said that when a user registers with a writing site that should be done with the belief that sites will vanish sometimes with dignity and sometimes in a crooked way. Even then users earn while the site lasts.
Articles are written cursing those sites that did not stay, forgetting that those very sites paid while the going was good. We do not pay to register and that everyone forgets.
Coming to articles not being allowed to delete that clause is mentioned in the terms and conditions and therefore it is unfair there could be a grouse there.
Good writers can always write fresh stuff and they get an opportunity to exercise their writing prowess and produce new articles.
It would be wise for writers to sit back and add up their earnings that they received from various writing sites. They will get a happy surprise and all this without investing any money but with just a bit of time, sharing their expertise. Users get an opportunity to interact with the like minded at a global level. In the good old days this was possible through pen friends where interaction took months not to mention the cost of postal stamps. We rarely get those with common interests in the real world. Even among family members there could be those having nothing in common with each other and that applies to friends as well. Writers should enjoy their experience and not rake up issues about sites vanishing or sites not allowing to delete articles or even sites not paying for the tail end of their efforts. It is not just money that one earns while writing. They make friends; they socialise and learn from each other.
It would be wise to have an open mind and enjoy writing. Writers like to showcase their writing talent. What better way than registering with writing sites where one has the opportunity to pick and choose depending on their interest?
The authors of books are languishing with no one to accept their books for publishing. It takes years, if at all, when their book is published. Again there is no guarantee that their book will be read. Publishing a book involves spending while writing at sites is free.

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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby cmoneyspinner » 09 Jun 2017, 15:24

* * I don't think it's a good thing to curse the sites, even though your anger may be justified. Especially if the site is gone! That's like blowing your spit in the wind. However, an honest review about a site is a good thing.

I sometimes post site reviews at Site Jabber. It's free.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby bestwriter » 10 Jun 2017, 00:54

cmoneyspinner wrote:* * I don't think it's a good thing to curse the sites, even though your anger may be justified. Especially if the site is gone! That's like blowing your spit in the wind. However, an honest review about a site is a good thing.

I sometimes post site reviews at Site Jabber. It's free.
[user]https://www.sitejabber.com/[/user]

Ooops! Used the wrong code. It won't let me edit.
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Don't you think many a time users are responsible for the sites to go down with their spamming and plagiarising? LiteracyBase is a fine example of that and so is Bubbllews
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby Happyland » 15 Jun 2017, 06:22

You are right that sites are good while they last. I was not fortunate enough (or unfortunate) to be on the popular sites when the getting was good so to speak. I am a relative newcomer compared to most users of sites. From what I understand sites can go down for any number of reasons; however, it usually comes down to money. Even spamming on sites out there still results in threads and posts that are submitted and accepted. It makes writing them easier. The problem is these types of short easy brainless writings have to be paid for by the site owner. In essence paying for nothing. I have that the other site that you mentioned bubblvvews had a financial problem and left in a rush. Writing sites is a tough business and generally speaking business is about revenue and expenses. Most new businesses fail--I know that for sure in restaurant industry.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby bestwriter » 15 Jun 2017, 07:19

As you have rightly said everyone is here for money and when sites to do not earn for whatever reasons they will close down and this users should know and not panic and start criticising the site. The only sad part is when sites do not have the courtesy to announce their departure.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby cmoneyspinner » 15 Jun 2017, 15:51

bestwriter wrote:Don't you think many a time users are responsible for the sites to go down with their spamming and plagiarising? LiteracyBase is a fine example of that and so is Bubbllews


I think the OWNERS are responsible for STOPPING spamming and plagiarising! After all, they have access to the dashboard. Users don't! All users can do is report the problems. Which is what I saw a lot of users doing at those two sites you mentioned. It looks like the complaints fell on deaf ears at Literacy Base. As for my experience at Bubblews, they marked account as SPAM and deleted it. So I signed up at other communities and did the same thing that I was doing at Bubblews. Those sites let me stay there and they are still up and running. Not only that but the Admin folks respond to me when I do report a problem or have a question. Literacy Base is still there. Bubblews owners said "Good Bye" and no longer exists. Why even bring them up?

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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby bestwriter » 16 Jun 2017, 00:01

History is a reminder and needs to be mentioned for those who have not been a part of that history. It becomes costly for sites to keep a vigil on rule breakers if they are far too many.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby grecy0905 » 16 Jun 2017, 15:26

I do believe that some of the site owners do not care about the members who will be left hanging when they take down their sites, but I hope that is not the case as always. There is always a reason and if they could open those reasons to their members, for sure members will able to understand.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby Happyland » 16 Jun 2017, 17:18

Perhaps there should be a shared responsibility on certain types of sites. Administrators and users have an interest in the site. Owners have professional responsibility to protect their brand and assets; users have a responsibility to protect the community they like or even love. There are all kinds of ways that we protect ourselves from harmful things and events. There are ways to protect our interests. There are those with a less than virtuous interest and one rotten thing can spoil the whole bunch.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby cmoneyspinner » 16 Jun 2017, 17:34

* * Listen. I don't mean to beat a dead dog to death. But why set up a site … put in plain word words that unmistakable ... that nobody could possibly misunderstand … stating that plagiarism and spamming will not be tolerated, etc., etc. Then when the violations occue, the site owners don't do anything about it!

Hello! If I have to follow the rules or I'll get banned, why are the spammers and plagiarists at that same site having a party??!!

I'm sorry. NO! This is on the site owners. Not the members who obeyed the rules. The members who were not following the rules should have been banned from the site just like how it was spelled out in the terms of service. The members didn't write the TOS and FAQ and the members are not responsible for enforcing the terms and rules.

OK. Got that off my chest. I'm done.

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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby bestwriter » 16 Jun 2017, 23:13

@cmoneyspinner The fact remains that sites go because they do not earn and that is what users should know when they close shop. I agree that sites should inform before leaving which some do and some do not.
I know of a case when some user managed to get too many views the wrong way that in a way benefited the site as well but not for long Their Adsense account got deleted. There was temptation there for the site to give the situation a blind eye.

Users should be prepared to face this scenario and not get surprised or frustrated.

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@grecy0905 Sites have their terms and conditions to cover them up which users should read before reacting the way some do. No doubt giving the slip is not the way but that is how this works. Not all are above board and this the user must know.

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@Happyland I agree with you for newcomers this is kind of a shock but even veterans express frustration as they should know money is the root of all evil. This scenario where sites vanish when they do not earn is to be expected.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby cmoneyspinner » 17 Jun 2017, 17:58

* * Whether newbies or experienced, members who follow the rules have every right to be upset and even angry. The experienced ones usually heave a huge sigh and just move on. I still say the site owners are at fault. They have access to the back office. They can see what's going on. If they noticed “strange activity” they should have followed up on it. If they didn't, then that's probably why the site folded. Either that or when they started the site, they didn't have any intentions of keeping it up and running in the first place. They made what money they could make, then pulled the plug and disappeared! That was always the plan!

Nevertheless, communities and forums are popping up everywhere. At least we have choices. When I first started on the Internet several years back, I didn't know what to do to make money online. It was great when I found sites that I could join free. It's been a good work-at-home experience. I may be disappointed, but I have no regrets.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby bestwriter » 17 Jun 2017, 23:24

cmoneyspinner wrote:* * Whether newbies or experienced, members who follow the rules have every right to be upset and even angry. The experienced ones usually heave a huge sigh and just move on. I still say the site owners are at fault. They have access to the back office. They can see what's going on. If they noticed “strange activity” they should have followed up on it. If they didn't, then that's probably why the site folded. Either that or when they started the site, they didn't have any intentions of keeping it up and running in the first place. They made what money they could make, then pulled the plug and disappeared! That was always the plan!

Nevertheless, communities and forums are popping up everywhere. At least we have choices. When I first started on the Internet several years back, I didn't know what to do to make money online. It was great when I found sites that I could join free. It's been a good work-at-home experience. I may be disappointed, but I have no regrets.


I have not supported sites in any way. The only thing I emphasised on is that users should expect and accept this bad behaviour and move on as there is nothing users can do about it. If there was some kind of reporting to cyber policing that would have been better than expressing despair and frustration.
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby cmoneyspinner » 17 Jun 2017, 23:45

* * @bestwriter - There are methods of reporting. But most users don't want to do that. Because it's not like taking a pill that's fast acting and you'll get quick relief. The process drags. Nobody wants to be bogged down with that unless they feel like they lost a lot AND they feel like, in the end, they will get some sort of compensation.

When Bubblews shut down, people got together and went after them. I don't know what became of it because I didn't jump on the band wagon. It wasn't worth the time and effort for me. I had not lost that much. But some people must have felt that they lost a lot. So they went after Arvind and friends!

You expect bad behavior on the Internet or not on the Internet, because that's the world we live in. You will always have honest people in business and dishonest people. I wouldn't say the users can't do anything about it. I'd say most users just don't do anything about it; except complain and speak the truth. I mean it is true what happened to them. It's not like they're saying something that didn't happen to them and trying to damage the company's reputation.

As far as I know, there are reporting and cyber policing processes in place. But most people don't use them because they decide that they can do better things with their time. Frankly, I think the unethical site owners bank on that. They figure nobody will be bothered to come after them. I don't think it's a one-time incident. I think some of these site owners are "repeat offenders". They keep opening up, shutting down, and changing the names and starting up again. I can't prove it. But I still think it!!
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Re: Site Owners on the Net and You

Postby bestwriter » 17 Jun 2017, 23:49

cmoneyspinner wrote:* * @bestwriter - There are methods of reporting. But most users don't want to do that. Because it's not like taking a pill that's fast acting and you'll get quick relief. The process drags. Nobody wants to be bogged down with that unless they feel like they lost a lot AND they feel like, in the end, they will get some sort of compensation.

When Bubblews shut down, people got together and went after them. I don't know what became of it because I didn't jump on the band wagon. It wasn't worth the time and effort for me. I had not lost that much. But some people must have felt that they lost a lot. So they went after Arvind and friends!

You expect bad behavior on the Internet or not on the Internet, because that's the world we live in. You will always have honest people in business and dishonest people. I wouldn't say the users can't do anything about it. I'd say most users just don't do anything about it; except complain and speak the truth. I mean it is true what happened to them. It's not like they're saying something that didn't happen to them and trying to damage the company's reputation.

As far as I know, there are reporting and cyber policing processes in place. But most people don't use them because they decide that they can do better things with their time. Frankly, I think the unethical site owners bank on that. They figure nobody will be bothered to come after them. I don't think it's a one-time incident. I think some of these site owners are "repeat offenders". They keep opening up, shutting down, and changing the names and starting up again. I can't prove it. But I still think it!!
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In other words, just expect it, accept it and move on, searching for greener pastures :thumbup:
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